Curse

creelie · Mar 15, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06

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Originally Posted by Dracil

So... 35 HP or +10 armor? Do mobs look at HP or armor first? And then do mobs look at the AL bonus when deciding who to attack or only the base AL?

The idea of +HP is even if the mob does choose you, you have a large HP buffer.

Lurid · Mar 15, 2007, 07:54 AM // 07:54

And its useful vs degen and armor ignoring damage. IMHO the extra health is more useful than a (relatively) conditional armor mod. If you really want the extra armor grab a max shield, that will give you +8 defense (assuming you don't meet the req)

Dracil · Mar 15, 2007, 10:39 AM // 10:39

But 35 health is only about 7% extra longevity, whereas 10 armor is 16% less damage based on the damage calculator I tried (specifically this one http://www.guildwarsguru.com/calcula...uru_armor.php). Also, more health means more health to heal, relatively, while taking less damage is easier to heal.

i.e.
Without mods you take 100 damage
With hp mod, you still take 100 damage but it's like only 65, but still requires 100 to heal
With armor mod, you only took 84 damage so you'll only need to heal 84 to recover it.

This difference gets larger the more damage is taken
If you took 400 damage without mods
With hp mod, you still take 400 damage but it's like 365, and requires 400 to heal
With armor mod, you take 336 damage, and only need 336 healed

FoxBat · Mar 15, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

Spike damage is lacking in PvE, so generally armor pays off over HP. I'd run blessed for almost anywhere since enchant hate is typically light at best, and it's hard to think of a good monk build that doesn't use any enchantments.

Saphatorael · Mar 15, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

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Originally Posted by Wilhelm

Hmm no.

Weapon swapping and 'intelligent' monking outweighs the extra 4 energy from the + energy set.

I personally wear full +health armor, as plenty of the damage in GW is Armor Ignoring, but I do keep a Wanderer's set in storage just in case.

-Wilhelm

<3

I use Saintly 15k on my monk for when PvE'ing:

Staying in the backline= no physical damage, even ranged monsters tend to have elemental attacks, only spells would be able to touch you if you aggro everything properly..
So in pvE, +AL vs Elemental ftw.

And for PvP (and a few PvE areas): Survivor. Good against degen, armour ignoring damage, and it rocks to have 610-640hp, quite tough to spike down very quickly. Bring a shield for any +AL you might need, though, that'll help even more.

PS: Ascetics/Radiant Insignia are a waste. If you can't handle your energy, you're not a good enough monk. Keep trying, in that case!

First Healer Monk · Mar 15, 2007, 07:05 PM // 19:05

In past times, I've only used the Saintly. I had a very well energy management and had less damage from the ranged spells.

Later on, I bought +energy armor, but it was actually without need. I mostly play a ZB build, so I recover most energy when healing a large amount, and for smaller amounts I use Devotion. More hp is, imho, not a need for a monk when you've PS equiped, as that skill will work better with less health.

What I want to say is that it seems to me +armor is best but not allways needed. +Hp can be usefull when playing with henchies only. +Energy is handy when you don't want to equip Eman, but smart healing is in that case still better.

In the long end: buy armor considering all what is said by the ones here, and see what matches best with your skills and situation. Not all play the same style.

olly123 · Mar 15, 2007, 07:19 PM // 19:19

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Originally Posted by Agyar

+energy armour is a giant waste, in any context. Energy management through selection of skills, skill usage (both skills directly for energy management and selective usage of other skills - i.e. correct use of damage mitigation, avoiding overheals) and weapon set switching will keep yourself and the team alive.

Monks (and every character) needs the extra defense that armour/health armours can provide and wasting that defense in the favour of an extra 7 energy per fight (that's not even two 5e casts) is ridiculous.

And trying to say "it's ok because it's for PvE" is ridiculous as well; the basic principles still apply and there's no justification for +energy armour insignias.

Edit: And no, I'm not talking about 55'ing etc. That's a completely different issue and you can't try to justify a choice for one situation with the information concerning a separate one.

QTD

with exter energy ur still goign to need to heal ur self for 100dam if u get hit with a 100dam move

with more health urs still going to need need to heal for that 100 dam uve jsut lost.

both of these result in wasting more energy.
where as with extra armor u can save energy

instead oh being hit for 100 u coudl limit it down to ( dont know exact number) about 84 meaning les to heal so u take longer to kill and ur more energy efficent, + armor is a winner each time

Dracil · Mar 15, 2007, 08:35 PM // 20:35

There is a time when +armor IS useless though. When you're playing a bonder, say somewhere like Domain of Anguish. Then you REALLY should not be getting hit at all, and only take damage from life bond. +Health for a greater buffer for Life Barrier or +EN for greater buffer for more bonds or when you can't use Blessed Signet (if it gets interrupted or when you need to kite or run with several pips of en degen).

But generally +Health and +Armor only matter if you're getting hit, which can be the result of bad monking as well. In that case, I'd prefer +Armor because it seems usually the deadliest damage you'll encounter in PVE (lvl 28 boss ele spells) is NOT armor-ignoring.

When you have 530 health, +10 armor (16% damage reduction) is like having 614 health.

Age · Mar 15, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Agyar

+energy armour is a giant waste, in any context. Energy management through selection of skills, skill usage (both skills directly for energy management and selective usage of other skills - i.e. correct use of damage mitigation, avoiding overheals) and weapon set switching will keep yourself and the team alive.

Monks (and every character) needs the extra defense that armour/health armours can provide and wasting that defense in the favour of an extra 7 energy per fight (that's not even two 5e casts) is ridiculous.

And trying to say "it's ok because it's for PvE" is ridiculous as well; the basic principles still apply and there's no justification for +energy armour insignias.

Edit: And no, I'm not talking about 55'ing etc. That's a completely different issue and you can't try to justify a choice for one situation with the information concerning a separate one.

This really doesn't matter when it comes to PvE as i see lots of Monks going around in tats and they aren't 55ers.I been in groups with Monks that are useing only tats if you hp are high and your al is high it really doesn't matter.There is an entire thread about this already.

Risa · Mar 16, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

My monk has two sets, HP for PvP, and Blessed (+ 10 Armor while enchanted) for PvE, since I love Channeling

I play protection in PvE usually, and always find an enchantment on myself to enjoy the armor bonus with.

Y.T. · Mar 17, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by Dracil

There is a time when +armor IS useless though. When you're playing a bonder, say somewhere like Domain of Anguish. Then you REALLY should not be getting hit at all, and only take damage from life bond. +Health for a greater buffer for Life Barrier or +EN for greater buffer for more bonds or when you can't use Blessed Signet (if it gets interrupted or when you need to kite or run with several pips of en degen).

But generally +Health and +Armor only matter if you're getting hit, which can be the result of bad monking as well. In that case, I'd prefer +Armor because it seems usually the deadliest damage you'll encounter in PVE (lvl 28 boss ele spells) is NOT armor-ignoring.

When you have 530 health, +10 armor (16% damage reduction) is like having 614 health.

i have +E set, +AR when ench set, +AR vs elem and +hp sets. i'm monking in fow 6-7 runs per week (at least) so i decided to test all those diff sets in balanced teams. when i started my monk i got her +E armor (as many pve-only monks) but then i noticed that my E hardly ever goes lower than 15-20E unless i'm monking alone and we aggroed 2 patrols, so i switched to +AR when ench for boon protter build. it was my fav armor for a long long time but after the last boon protter nerf i hardly ever use it, i gave it a try in balanced team with bonder and i have to admit that extra AR wasnt that important, it cant save me if abyssals locked aggro on me, it does help against annoying barragers tho. last few month i was using +AR vs elem damage, i think its 1 of the best sets for pve monk, but after i crafted +hp set i'm not switching armor anymore. with 600+hp i can stand in the middle of the mob and cast in peace while poor eles r with all their sup and maj runes and ~400hp r being hammered down. i'm using +hp offhand and spear, so even if i use helm with sup rune i have enough hp to avoid being targeted in the 1st order.

in my experience mobs tend to choose targets with lowest hp, for some reason they dont pay attention to AR - f/ex tank in full sentinels has considerably better AR than poor squishy monky, but if the tank less hp than said monky mobs will attack the tank and temporary ignore the monk. as i understand it in pvp monks choose +hp armors to survive the spike damage, but in pve +hp set will help u to avoid getting any damage, so its definitely 1 of the best armor choices.

P.S. if u have enough free space in inv u can get +AR vs elem top+leggins, u'll be able to switch to extra AR set in elem-heavy areas

Adam of Tyria · Mar 18, 2007, 08:34 PM // 20:34

I like to run a +10 armor while enchanted set. I am a protection monk, so I usually like to have lower health and have protective spirit on me at all times. So, I can have the protection from portective spirit, AND some extra armor.